On this episode I welcome Jessica VanderWier, Registered Psychotherapist and creator of the platform Our Mama Village. At Our Mama Village, they share tangible tools to help families with their children’s behavior and help parents develop relationships with their kiddos that will last a lifetime. Today we are discussing generational trauma!

In this episode we cover:

• What generational trauma is and examples
• Why it’s important and why it’s so hard to break
• Tips for breaking the cycles

Follow Jessica on Instagram @ourmamavillage and online at https://ourmamavillage.com/.

00;00;08;27 – 00;00;31;15

Dr. Mona

Welcome back to the PedsDocTalk podcast. I am so excited to welcome one of my favorite accounts on social media, Jessica VanderWier, where she is a registered psychotherapist and creator of the platform Our Mama Village, where they share tangible tools to help families with their children’s behavior and help parents develop relationships with their kids. That will last a lifetime.

 

00;00;31;15 – 00;00;39;11

Dr. Mona

And we are talking about generational trauma, a topic important to both of us. Thank you so much for joining me today, Jessica.

 

00;00;39;14 – 00;00;46;14

Jessica VanderWier

Thank you so much. I have been really looking forward to our chat, and I am so honored to be here with you today.

 

00;00;46;17 – 00;00;52;18

Dr. Mona

So tell me more about yourself and why you started our mama Village in the first place for sure.

 

00;00;52;20 – 00;01;24;15

Jessica VanderWier

So I am a registered psychotherapist. I am also a mom. I have two girls, one who’s five, one is two, and I’m pregnant with my third daughter who is on her way in May. So I am a psychotherapist. I work with parents who have children with talking behavior, and I’ve been doing that for a long time. Before I had my first daughter, I was going into parents homes that had children who, were either not able to go back to school because of their behavior and police involvement.

 

00;01;24;17 – 00;01;41;02

Jessica VanderWier

So I was working with some kids at some of the most complex behavior, and I thought, I’m definitely be ready for parenthood. I have worked for so many families, never doing this for a long time. And then, of course, as I’m sure you know, you have your own child and your world turns upside down in ways that you weren’t expecting.

 

00;01;41;04 – 00;02;12;20

Jessica VanderWier

So after having my first daughter, I went to preterm labor form of the bedrest and a really challenging during this postpartum anxiety. And after coming through the other side of that, going to my own therapy, finally getting support after being dismissed many different times. I couldn’t believe that as a psychotherapist with over eight years of training in mental health who had worked with families, how unprepared I was for the journey of parenthood and all of the various challenges and things that come up for it around that time.

 

00;02;12;20 – 00;02;23;27

Jessica VanderWier

That was about five years ago. There was really not a lot of information online. It was kind of the era of a lot of mommy blogs, but not a lot of educational, trusted resources online.

 

00;02;23;28 – 00;02;25;09

Dr. Mona

Yeah.

 

00;02;25;11 – 00;02;50;27

Jessica VanderWier

So I went and I got additional training in perinatal mental health. I can switch my focus. I started my own private practice that I still have now, where we have which therapists who work for us. And I just started posting tips for parenting little kids and perinatal mental health on my Instagram page on social media and huge community of people were also craving the same support.

 

00;02;50;27 – 00;02;54;19

Jessica VanderWier

And that’s really where our mama village grew out of.

 

00;02;54;22 – 00;03;15;07

Dr. Mona

I love it. And I love your story. I do also resonate with the out of our own trauma comes the ability to help others, not only if they’ve gone through similar trauma. Doesn’t always have to do that, but just general stuff like. And I know we’re talking about generational trauma, which is such an important topic, but when you go through something like that, it really changes your perspective.

 

00;03;15;08 – 00;03;29;19

Dr. Mona

It actually, you know, I do believe it gives you more compassion, even if you are already a compassionate human being. I have a feeling you were, but it really gives you a lot of perspective, and I, I love that, and so thank you for sharing that part of your story as to what made you found our mama village.

 

00;03;29;21 – 00;03;44;18

Dr. Mona

So, you know, we’re talking about generational trauma. It’s a term that’s been very I mean, it’s not a new term. This is something we’ve known for a long time. But I have a feeling like a lot of parents, especially the social media space, are now understanding, oh, yeah, that’s a term that I probably had when I was growing up.

 

00;03;44;18 – 00;03;54;00

Dr. Mona

Meaning that is something that sounds like my childhood. Explain what exactly you would define as generational trauma for anyone who may not be familiar with that term.

 

00;03;54;02 – 00;04;27;17

Jessica VanderWier

For sure. Yeah, I’ll try and put it really simply and kind of easy to understand. So generational trauma is really your family’s story. So it’s a story of the generation for you and how they parented their children. And if they had this trauma or challenges that they brought down through the generations. So, for example, if every generation before you, let’s say, had addictions, they maybe went through unresolved trauma if they were hurt or abused children, and without reflection and without looking at this and saying, I want to do things different.

 

00;04;27;19 – 00;04;46;07

Jessica VanderWier

Often we pass the same trauma on to our children, and they pass it on to their children. And then through the generations, the trauma just keeps going and the cycle just keeps happening, happening. And that really, in a nutshell, the story is what generational trauma is.

 

00;04;46;09 – 00;05;09;07

Dr. Mona

And you gave some great examples already. You talked about addictions, abuse. But there are some other types of examples that may not be commonly like body image issues, meaning issues. Right. Like, obviously that relates to how we look at our bodies. Are there other examples that maybe people may not hear besides the obvious, like physical verbal abuse, addictions, things like that, but other types of generational traumas that may exist.

 

00;05;09;09 – 00;05;31;25

Jessica VanderWier

Yeah, I love that you brought that up. I think even there can be smaller ones as well. Like if you had a parent that had a mental health issue, let’s say anxiety, and a lot of that was given onto you as a child and projected to you and, and maybe there’s some codependency there or a word that we use in therapy and measurement between the parent and the child, or the child is always trying to regulate the parent’s emotions.

 

00;05;31;25 – 00;05;48;07

Jessica VanderWier

And the parent, doesn’t do their own internal work to try and figure that out. So things like that can also be handed down to the generation where now you’re an adult and you’re like, why do I have so much anxiety? And why do I struggle to regulate my own actions, struggle with anger and things like that?

 

00;05;48;09 – 00;06;05;13

Dr. Mona

Oh, and it’s just, again, the reason why I’m just so glad to have Jess on this episode is this kind of stuff is so important, and we’ll get into obviously why it’s so important. And the first question, you know, I wanted to go over is, why do you feel like it’s so hard for people to break these cycles?

 

00;06;05;13 – 00;06;18;10

Dr. Mona

You know, you mentioned that it gets passed down from generation to generation. What do you think is that sort of difficulty for a parent to say, this happened to me, now I need to either change it or do I know what’s happening? What are those barriers?

 

00;06;18;13 – 00;06;36;21

Jessica VanderWier

For sure, it’s really hard to break these cycles, and I just want to name that off the bat, because so many parents struggle with guilt and this pressure to break the cycles. And I also like to tell parents, you don’t have to change every single thing about your life and your childhood all at once. You don’t have to reflect on everything all at once.

 

00;06;36;27 – 00;07;04;22

Jessica VanderWier

Even that pressure to break the cycles can feel extremely overwhelming and make it hard to do. But it’s really hard to break because we repeat what we know. Our brains are programed to learn from our experiences and take what was modeled from us and do the same thing. So if all that was modeled to you when you were growing up was something like yelling or spanking or, you know, using your children to help you regulate your emotions or getting angry at little things like the milk being spilled on a kitchen table.

 

00;07;04;22 – 00;07;22;06

Jessica VanderWier

And I always used that example because I have in my house, the kids are always smelling things, you know? And if you are yelled for that when you were a child, it can be really hard to break those patterns because that’s what your brain knows. So automatically it goes there when your child engages in that same behavior.

 

00;07;22;08 – 00;07;43;26

Dr. Mona

And why is it so important to break these cycles? I mean, I think the obvious is there, but I mean, you work so heavily as, obviously a psychotherapist and I as a just a general pediatrician dealing with parenting stuff. It’s something that is so important to me because I always want to teach parents about sleep or feeding or tantrums, but I’m like, you gotta go back to what your insecurities and what your upbringing was like.

 

00;07;43;26 – 00;07;57;11

Dr. Mona

Like, why is it so important that a parent does look at it without guilt? You know, I agree with you that we don’t want to shame parents and make them feel like I’m at fault or I’m ruined. It’s not like that. It’s why do we want to recognize this so that we can move forward?

 

00;07;57;14 – 00;08;15;08

Jessica VanderWier

Exactly. Yeah. So I have kind of a two part answer for you there. So many parents say wonder to me, you know, they’ll even come to us in therapy sessions and they’ll say, you know, I want to work on this because my child has this problem and we end up getting into some deeper discussions, and it’s like, why are we going here?

 

00;08;15;08 – 00;08;37;22

Jessica VanderWier

Can you just give me a list of strategies and that just be enough? And what I’ll say is the honest answer is I can give them a bunch of tools and strategies to help them navigate their child’s emotions and give them, you know, quick tips and stuff like that. But it doesn’t help in the same way, unless we understand our own emotions and how they relate to our children, that we’re often missing a huge piece of the puzzle.

 

00;08;37;24 – 00;08;59;26

Jessica VanderWier

So often we’re looking at our child’s behavior as bad or something to change into shape, but really, we’re seeing that from our own lens, of our own experience, of everything that we’ve been through up until this point of having a child. So when we can reflect on that unique backstory that each of us has, and in a relationship, you and your partner have a totally different, unique backstory, so you can see your children’s behavior in a different way.

 

00;08;59;28 – 00;09;20;07

Jessica VanderWier

It can help you figure out how to truly support your kids in ways that aren’t quick fixes or quick tips, which I think especially now, seem super popular on the internet, which wasn’t there when I started our village. But you tell me quick tips and people are asking why doesn’t this work? And often because we have to do that deeper reflection.

 

00;09;20;09 – 00;09;44;03

Jessica VanderWier

And then the second part is I love asking people why breaking cycles is important specifically to them, because I think every person has a different reason why this is so particularly valuable to them to break these cycles. For example, my husband, he shared a lot about his story on my Instagram page and even in my painting course. But he grew up being abused and going through a lot of trauma.

 

00;09;44;06 – 00;10;05;25

Jessica VanderWier

So for him, re parenting in our home, it’s a big topic of discussion. We’re always talking about. And so for him, why it’s important is he really wants to create a safe childhood experience for our children. They can grow up knowing that they’re physically safe, but also emotionally safe, so they can grow and develop and become the children that they were meant to be.

 

00;10;05;25 – 00;10;12;04

Jessica VanderWier

And that, yeah, he can provide that. So that’s why it’s important to them. But for every person I think it’s different.

 

00;10;12;06 – 00;10;29;10

Dr. Mona

I appreciate you sharing about your husband’s story, because I feel like every one of us can probably share some sort of maybe it’s not, again, that big. Like I said, addiction, abuse, like the first thing she said. But I’m telling you, there are different things there that you were like, this happened and this is my reality growing up, but does it have to be my reality?

 

00;10;29;10 – 00;10;49;16

Dr. Mona

And is it something that made me feel that as a kid, like, I think insight is so important, right? I think adults are capable of saying, hey, this happened to me in my childhood. My parents were amazing at X, Y, and Z, but what did they not do? That was serving me? Well? You know, whether it’s the anxiety component that you mentioned, using your children to regulate your emotions, I mean, I that’s my generational trauma.

 

00;10;49;16 – 00;11;07;28

Dr. Mona

To put it out there was exactly that. It was the yelling. It was the slapping. It was the corporal punishment which was passed down from generation to generation. And it took me to say, I don’t like how that made me feel as a kid. And I also don’t think that it makes sense for my child. And I don’t like the feeling of anger.

 

00;11;07;28 – 00;11;21;29

Dr. Mona

I don’t think anyone really likes being angry. I mean, anger is probably one of the worst feelings that a human being can feel when it obviously it’s it’s a healthy feeling. But when you’re angry and you hurt a kid, I mean, that’s just probably one of the hardest things that I mean, it takes insight to kind of understand that.

 

00;11;21;29 – 00;11;39;21

Dr. Mona

But it was so much more for not only just for my son, but it was. I don’t like the way that all of this makes me feel like I just don’t like being angry and yelling all the time when that’s what I grew up with, you know? And it’s a hard, deep dive. I mean, it can bring up, like, you know, a lot of emotions.

 

00;11;39;21 – 00;12;07;29

Dr. Mona

It can bring up a lot of unprocessed trauma from your childhood. But I think, you know, using whether it’s professional help, like you said, I know there’s people on social media that aren’t really professionals giving all these short term advice, but it really, like you said it long term. Sometimes things like CBT, some like cognitive behavioral therapy, sometimes it’s going to be more intensive to undo the patterns of thinking so that you can be more present for your child in a way that you weren’t parented when you were a kid.

 

00;12;07;29 – 00;12;12;20

Dr. Mona

And that’s really hard sometimes for parents to get to that point, I think.

 

00;12;12;22 – 00;12;31;13

Jessica VanderWier

Yeah, exactly. And I think it for a lot of parents, it’s hard to even recognize. And yeah, a lot of parents are very protective over their childhood experiences and their parents, and they can think about doing this work of what we call re parenting, which is really the act of reflecting on your childhood and seeing what you need as a child.

 

00;12;31;13 – 00;12;47;10

Jessica VanderWier

And you want to give yourself now, give to your child now, which is that process you were just talking about. But it can be hard to do that because there’s a stigma attached that that immediately means that you’re very angry with your parents or you don’t want a relationship with them. And it makes a lot of people very hesitant to go down that path and reflect.

 

00;12;47;10 – 00;13;00;10

Jessica VanderWier

So I think it’s important in them that to say it’s not about blaming your parents for everything, it’s about looking at your experiences and seeing what do you want to repeat and what do I want to do different, and why is that important to me?

 

00;13;00;13 – 00;13;21;13

Dr. Mona

One of the big questions I had for this conversation, you kind of already mentioned tidbits, I believe, like especially what you just mentioned, but how do we, I guess, step by step or how do we even start to approach breaking these cycles? I mean, I know there’s so many different ways that people can approach it, but what do you think the main points would be for someone who’s struggling and or wants to, you know, break these things that have happened for sure.

 

00;13;21;13 – 00;13;40;05

Jessica VanderWier

I think a key piece is really that reflection. And again, I always tell parents, I think as this topic is being talked about more on social media, I think it’s amazing. But I also think that there’s this pressure that we see in our private practice with people thinking, oh my goodness, I have to reflect on everything and I have to do it right now.

 

00;13;40;05 – 00;14;03;10

Jessica VanderWier

And if I don’t do it now, then I’m going to ruin my kids. And I think that that can lead to another anxiety. So just take it step by step and maybe, one reflection question kind of at a time when you feel like you have the capacity. But the process of re parenting really does involve reflecting on your own story and focusing on giving you and yourself and your child now what you needed then.

 

00;14;03;10 – 00;14;25;09

Jessica VanderWier

So some questions that I like to ask parents are what are some of the key messages that you received as a child? So about your feelings, about your skills or about your abilities, etc.? If you think back to childhood experiences, is there something that stands out to you the most? I like for parents to look at what ways that your parents positively influence you.

 

00;14;25;16 – 00;14;49;13

Jessica VanderWier

Want one path? I think that’s also important. That’s a part too. And is there anything that you don’t want to recreate with your child? And I think all of us. So for me, I come from parents for the most part. They did an amazing job. I think they did do an amazing job with the tools and the ability that they had, and they were mostly gentle parents, though obviously that wasn’t a term really bad for that.

 

00;14;49;16 – 00;15;10;04

Jessica VanderWier

But there’s still things that I would do different, with my kids. And we’ve been able to have those conversations as well. Right. So I think for everybody, they can resonate with that. Are there specific or significant events that stand out to you about your childhood that you think might be impacting your parenting now? And is there any feelings of unresolved bitterness or resentment towards your childhood?

 

00;15;10;04 – 00;15;22;03

Jessica VanderWier

And I think questions like that are really good place to start. And for some people, they need a therapist to kind of guide along side some. And some people can do this reflection work, by themselves.

 

00;15;22;05 – 00;15;47;21

Dr. Mona

Yeah. I think that last piece is extremely important. The unresolved bitterness and resentment I actually recorded another episode about why forgiveness is important in trauma, healing, whatever trauma you’ve gone through. And that whole episode talks about, from a mindfulness standpoint, what forgiveness means in trauma. And now it’s not forgiving the action. It’s forgiving so that you can move forward so that you can find peace and you can have energy in your life to accept good that’s going to come to you.

 

00;15;47;24 – 00;16;09;00

Dr. Mona

I think people think that I’m not going to forgive my dad for beating me. That’s not what this means. I would never, ever ask someone to forgive someone who was abusive verbally, physically. But it’s about internal forgiveness so that you can find peace. And I think that concept is really hard for a lot of people to understand. But that unresolved bitterness and resentment, like you said, it’s not, it’s not that that person did something right.

 

00;16;09;00 – 00;16;28;01

Dr. Mona

Absolutely not. That person did something probably very hurtful for you, and we can’t deny that. But it’s for you to be able to say, this hurt, and now I’m going to make a change and I’m going to move forward through it. I’m not going to forgive the action, but I’m going to just forgive in my heart so that I can find space for joy.

 

00;16;28;01 – 00;16;45;25

Dr. Mona

And I think that’s so important in moving forward through hard times, so you can move around grief and move around the difficult times. I found it very eye opening for when I went through my birth trauma with Ryan, generational trauma or whatever trauma I’ve been through, how much that really helped in getting through to the other side a lot.

 

00;16;45;27 – 00;17;14;06

Jessica VanderWier

Yeah, I think that that it’s really huge. And I know for my husband and I, we both experienced traumatic situations after being, married from his family. And, it was really challenging for us. And we both held a lot of resentment for a long time. And so for anybody who’s in that situation right now where you’re holding a lot of resentment, I can totally identify with that feeling and how hard it is to kind of move past it.

 

00;17;14;08 – 00;17;33;18

Jessica VanderWier

But I agree with what you’re saying. Where we can say forgiveness doesn’t mean you’re back in my life, and now we’re just going to continue to go there. Yeah, it’s harder. It can mean boundaries. And I think part of re parenting can often mean I’m going to set boundaries that I didn’t have on as a kid, and that’s actually what I need now as an adult to make me feel safe.

 

00;17;33;18 – 00;17;58;02

Jessica VanderWier

Is this set boundaries and part of re parenting too? It’s it’s this process of giving yourself up as an adult what you didn’t have as a child. So things like, yeah, the ability to set boundaries, the ability to say no, doing play for even my husband, like a big part of his journey has been, you know, getting on the floor and playing unicorns with the kids and learning, have fun and play and do stuff like that.

 

00;17;58;02 – 00;18;22;02

Jessica VanderWier

So those are all pieces above and beyond the reflection that are really important. And in doing that and giving yourself now what you have, then even if the trauma happened when you’re an adult and you feel safe, all those things is really a big part of being able to forgive and find peace. And that space back in your heart where you’re not holding that resentment all of the time.

 

00;18;22;05 – 00;18;36;27

Dr. Mona

Yeah, I, I just saw that visual of your husband playing on the floor. I mean, I see that with my partner, too. I see him what he’s gone through in the house he grew up in and what he’s trying to change for. Oh, gets me a little emotional. What he’s trying to change for a child is it’s awesome.

 

00;18;36;27 – 00;18;53;27

Dr. Mona

Like, it’s actually really awesome to see him not do the things that was done to him because he’s actively trying to. And of course, I mean, we’ve spoken about this sometimes it’s going to creep in, right? Like just say body image issues. I’m going to use that example. That’s something very big in our culture because Indian people tend to be very thin.

 

00;18;53;27 – 00;19;14;16

Dr. Mona

And growing up, it’s like a big issue, like you’re too skinny, you need to eat, you need to eat. You’re not healthy. I mean, there’s so much body image issues about being too thin also. And that also goes for if you’re on the higher end, it doesn’t even matter who it is. And it was very hard, you know, for my husband like to really undo those cycles when my son is now becoming lean like us.

 

00;19;14;16 – 00;19;31;20

Dr. Mona

Right? Like, I mean, he’s following the genetics. And, for him to actively try to avoid saying those things, I can see him working really hard. I’m like, look, sometimes it’s not going to be perfect. Like, sometimes you’re going to do things or see things and you’re going to learn from that and you’re going to maybe make it better next time.

 

00;19;31;20 – 00;19;47;08

Dr. Mona

And that is what I think. You know, you do a lot with your platform too, is understanding that we’re human and that even if you have these ingrained traumas or these ingrained beliefs, like it doesn’t mean that just because you did all the work that it’s going to be perfect. It’s just about understanding and having insight. And I did this.

 

00;19;47;08 – 00;20;02;05

Dr. Mona

Oh man, I didn’t mean to say that. It just let’s work on it for the next time. And I think that’s so powerful. And parents, like you said earlier, remove the guilt, the shame, the I’m not doing it right, you know, and just really respecting their own process of growth, I think is so vital.

 

00;20;02;08 – 00;20;21;29

Jessica VanderWier

Yeah. And I think you said something really important there too, is that apologizing to our own kids about something that we did wrong or how we did something we you say that’s parenting work too, because so many people who apologize for kids now, they never had that when they were kids. So even that in itself is healing and builds that relationship with your child.

 

00;20;21;29 – 00;20;32;11

Jessica VanderWier

So it’s the little things like that. It’s not always maybe super big, huge things. Sometimes it’s as simple as just saying, I’m sorry to your child and that can be really healing for you to know.

 

00;20;32;15 – 00;20;51;15

Dr. Mona

Agreed. Oh, just this is so amazing. Is there any final like message you would want to give everyone listening? I’m so grateful that we can talk about this. It’s a topic that’s so near and dear to me, not only just from a personal level, but from a parenting level. You know, when I’m talking to parents about parenting their children, I want them to understand that this is a reality.

 

00;20;51;18 – 00;20;55;12

Dr. Mona

What would be your final message for everyone listening today?

 

00;20;55;15 – 00;21;15;00

Jessica VanderWier

My final message is just really simple, but it’s that change can happen and it can start with you. And I think sometimes parents really need to hear that, that simple reminder. And I know my husband, like I said, we talk about this all the time. But we were talking about it last night after I was looking at him.

 

00;21;15;00 – 00;21;32;05

Jessica VanderWier

And he has my five year old and his two year old on his back, and he’s pretending to be in a car and and he’s just like, going around the living room feeling like crazy and falling off him. And I just sitting there, of course, I’m, you know, 25 weeks pregnant, and I’m crying just watching this. Oh, my me cry.

 

00;21;32;05 – 00;21;35;00

Dr. Mona

That’s so I get that visual picture and that’s just beautiful.

 

00;21;35;03 – 00;21;53;19

Jessica VanderWier

Yeah, yeah. I just said to him after like, how incredible is that, that you can have this relationship with your girls and they can be giggling on you and you can have these moments, you know, and I think that that’s the piece of hope that is important for us to cling onto to that change can happen. And even though it’s hard, I have seen so many parents do it.

 

00;21;53;20 – 00;21;54;20

Jessica VanderWier

So beautiful.

 

00;21;54;22 – 00;22;24;03

Dr. Mona

It is. And exactly that word you use the perfect word. It’s beautiful. Like it’s just, like whenever I see someone going through a really hard time. I know we’re not talking about every type of trauma. Like when I see someone going through something really difficult, and I hate that they’re going through something difficult. But I always say I’m like, if that person has inside, if that person has the ability to look back or, you know, introspection to say, this is not working and this is working, I just think about the butterfly that they’re going to become after it, you know, like what they’re going to learn and who they’re going to be after that

 

00;22;24;06 – 00;22;40;03

Dr. Mona

process of a trauma. I mean, generational trauma is so ingrained for so many years. So it’s not like, you know, it can take a day or two days. It’s going to take a lot of work and long time sometimes for a lot of people. But like you said, it’s beautiful and joyous. Just thank you so much for joining me.

 

00;22;40;03 – 00;22;51;15

Dr. Mona

Where can everyone find joy? I know I said your Instagram handle again is at our Mama village. I’m going to attach that to my show notes. But, tell me what resources you offer. You know, for anyone listening today?

 

00;22;51;17 – 00;23;19;10

Jessica VanderWier

Yeah, for sure. And yeah, thank you so much for having me. I absolutely love this conversation. So the reflection questions that I shared, I have a free toddler tantrum guide. And of course, in typical just fashion in my toddler tantrum guide, I talk about free parenting because I’m just going to stick that in to everything that I do because like I said, we can just give quick tips and it’s not going to be the bigger picture solution that parents really need and want.

 

00;23;19;13 – 00;23;43;21

Jessica VanderWier

So if they want some of these reflection questions, just to start off with, they can go to my website and download the free Toddler Tantrum Guide. And there’s a bunch of questions in there they can go through. And I also have a free parenting section in my parenting course. So inside of my parents and course, I have six lessons and kind of a re parenting mini course where I talk a little bit more about our story.

 

00;23;43;24 – 00;23;56;29

Jessica VanderWier

I talk about, reflections and ways to work through challenging childhood experiences. And I give you some really practical tools for this free parenting journey. So if that’s something you’re interested in, it’s also available inside of the parenting course.

 

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Dr. Mona

And I will be adding links to again, her Instagram page, as well as her, site on my show notes. So you can definitely check her out and you have to follow her if you are not already. She shares such great post, obviously not just about generational trauma, but all things parenting and, you know, breaking the cycle. So thanks again just for joining me today.

 

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Jessica VanderWier

Thank you so much for having me. This is great.

 

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Dr. Mona

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