Do you find yourself feeling more irritable since becoming a mother? Have you felt guilty about this or have not known how to approach it? I welcome back Dr. Cassidy who is a licensed marriage and family therapist to talk about overstimulation in parenthood (and especially motherhood). We discuss:

• Why we may become more irritable after becoming a mom
• What irritability in motherhood can really be a sign of
• How to create space when feeling irritable or angry

Listen to another episode with Dr. Cassidy: Why has motherhood made me feel so overstimulated?

More from Cassidy at drcassidymft.com, on the Holding Space Podcast and Instagram  @drcassidy

00;00;01;01 – 00;00;30;03

Dr. Cassidy

There’s so much about becoming a parent that can bring forward our triggers that can be overstimulating, that bring in factors that contribute to anger and rage spilling over, like sleep deprivation, like carrying a really heavy mental load. There’s so many factors that can contribute to why it’s going to be a lot more difficult to regulate these parts of ourselves that have been simmering there for so long.

 

00;00;30;06 – 00;00;51;03

Dr. Mona

Hey everyone, welcome back to the PedsDocTalk Podcast. This podcast continues to grow because of you and your reviews. So thank you so much for being here today. I’m excited to welcome back Doctor Cassidy Frida. She is a licensed marriage and family therapist in private practice in California and host of the Holding Space podcast, and she’s a returning guest.

 

00;00;51;03 – 00;01;05;21

Dr. Mona

She was on my podcast for episode 132 about overstimulation and parenthood and motherhood, and she’s back today to talk all about why motherhood makes me feel so irritable. So welcome back to the podcast.

 

00;01;05;23 – 00;01;24;00

Dr. Cassidy

Thank you so much for having me again, and I’m so excited for us to dive into this topic, which feels so connected to me personally in so many ways to our other conversation and episodes. So folks should definitely go and tune in there. If what we talk about today resonates.

 

00;01;24;03 – 00;01;51;02

Dr. Mona

Absolutely. And I think they’re very interconnected, right? The irritability, overstimulation, when you’re overstimulated, you’re going to feel irritable. When you’re irritable, you’re going to feel overstimulated, like it all goes hand in hand. So I think these episodes pair so well together. But they’re great on their own too, right? I mean, the conversation we had about overstimulation was just so helpful on tips to kind of in the moment when you’re feeling overstimulated and also just the work we have to do to hopefully reduce those moments of overstimulation.

 

00;01;51;02 – 00;02;01;26

Dr. Mona

So thanks again for returning. So tell me more about yourself in case people have not listened to that episode. You know what you do, why you do it? Why are you here with us today and why this topic is so important to you?

 

00;02;01;28 – 00;02;36;28

Dr. Cassidy

Yes. Thank you. So yes, I’m Doctor Cassidy. Freydis, I’m a licensed marriage and family therapist. I have a private practice in California. It’s a virtual practice. I can see anyone who lives in California and I reside in San Diego. Born and raised. And I have three kiddos 11, eight, and two. I feel like I am doing the splits between toddler land and my tween, all the things she’s navigating, and then my middle child, my deeply feeling child and just, you know, all the things.

 

00;02;37;18 – 00;03;04;18

Dr. Cassidy

And also got a senior dog and a puppy. Like, we are just like, living the overstimulated, beautiful life. All the things. I also host, two podcasts. Actually. I have the podcast Holding Space for parents, and then I also have a podcast just for therapists. So holding space for therapists where I just really talk to therapists about this, like modern world of navigating being an entrepreneur and business owner and mom.

 

00;03;04;28 – 00;03;30;24

Dr. Cassidy

So talk about all the things over there. And I share a lot of stuff on Instagram over at Doctor Cassidy. I further see my job on Instagram as like, there’s so much information over there, and I just want to kind of build the connections with folks who are opening the app, and I just want to talk to them specifically about the real messy stuff that happens behind closed doors so that they feel a little bit less alone.

 

00;03;30;24 – 00;03;50;00

Dr. Cassidy

And then maybe to build that bridge to getting off the app, to tuning in to a podcast like yours or, you know, reaching out to a therapist or to someone in their life to get more support. Because I just think that we all could use more of that. And a lot of times these things need a deeper dive on Instagram.

 

00;03;50;00 – 00;04;19;00

Dr. Cassidy

I also love to share TikTok Fridays is kind of what I become like. Known for overflow, which has been so fun. Every Friday, I share a collection of TikToks that really speak to millennial parents about all the things, because shared laughter is my love language. I love to infuse humor where I can because, yeah, irritability when I can infuse some humor in like, it can really help because irritability oftentimes can be the emotion that takes the driver’s seat when it comes to parenting.

 

00;04;19;00 – 00;04;22;20

Dr. Cassidy

And we’ll I know we’ll dive more deeply into why that is today.

 

00;04;22;23 – 00;04;39;10

Dr. Mona

Why I love the TikTok Fridays, I really do, I just think, and also the ones you select are obviously very funny. So it’s nice to know that on Fridays it’s going to be humor and more humor. And it is. It is the best medicine. I mean, speaking as a clinician, we know that humor is actually truly the best medicine in terms of positivity mindset.

 

00;04;39;10 – 00;05;07;13

Dr. Mona

All of that that really display, huge factor in our lives. And as someone who also does a lot of parenting education, humor is important for levity, right? When your children are upset, when you’re upset, it can really help lighten the mood a little bit so that you can have that shared laughter to get through hard times, to get through hard day’s hard emotions and see the light that’s at the end of the tunnel, that it’s not always going to be sadness or or anger or tantrums and, you know, you being in a toddler phase as well with your youngest.

 

00;05;07;17 – 00;05;25;26

Dr. Mona

So again, thank you so much. And we are talking a lot about irritability and we can even throw anger rage into that as well. You know, just kind of just being on edge if you will. So what is it about motherhood? Why do we become this way that we just feel so irritable and describe what irritability can look like in motherhood?

 

00;05;25;28 – 00;05;49;26

Dr. Cassidy

Yeah. So I did not identify as someone who was really irritable or would rage or would yell or couscous. I mean, sure, like when I was a teen. Oh yeah, for sure. That was were some stormy years. But like, as a, as an adult before I became a parent, like, there’s just not something I really connected with as part of who I was.

 

00;05;49;28 – 00;06;26;21

Dr. Cassidy

And then I became a parent and I, I found myself feeling really irritable and even experiencing postpartum rage and parental rage. You know, even as I got out of the postpartum period. And it was really something I felt ashamed of, I felt like must be something deeply wrong with me because I always wanted to be a mom. And why all of a sudden now do I find myself feeling more irritable and yelling at my kids and my partner and my dog?

 

00;06;26;21 – 00;06;34;27

Dr. Cassidy

All of a sudden my dog was like, super annoying to me and I was crying and so sad before I had my first because I was like, my dog will no longer be my baby.

 

00;06;34;27 – 00;06;36;09

Dr. Mona

It’s like, you know.

 

00;06;36;26 – 00;07;02;25

Dr. Cassidy

Gosh, it’s just so like I was like, so annoyed at my furry child, my furry, my fur baby. What’s so interesting is that a lot of times when I was obsessed postpartum in particular for depression, nobody really was asking me about irritability. And that is absolutely it can be a symptom of postpartum depression or depression in general, and it can be a symptom of anxiety.

 

00;07;03;03 – 00;07;38;22

Dr. Cassidy

So we’ll talk a little bit about that in a bit. But I just want to talk about anger okay. Anger is a human emotion that we are all wired for. Like I said, that I didn’t really identify as being an angry person or someone who had rage, but that was for sure something I was still wired for. I had just learned to kind of shut down those parts of myself, to kind of hold those parts of myself back because of all of the discourses and messages that, we just absorb in our day to day life about what it means to be a woman.

 

00;07;38;22 – 00;07;59;02

Dr. Cassidy

For me in particular, as someone who identifies as a woman, like, you know, I there’s definitely things I learned as a child that when I raged, you know, as a child or tantrums or had meltdowns, that it would, you know, maybe push people around me away and as, like little ones, we’re looking to see what brings people towards me.

 

00;07;59;04 – 00;08;32;29

Dr. Cassidy

And so, you know, for so many reasons, we might learn to shut down those parts of ourselves or have ways that we kind of numb or distract ourself from those feelings that can be so overwhelming or can feel so shameful. But then when you become a parent, the things that we may have done before, like we may not have access to all the space and margins to really regulate our nervous system, or to regulate those feelings, or to control that anger and connect it back to our past episode.

 

00;08;33;01 – 00;09;04;03

Dr. Cassidy

There’s so much about becoming a parent that can bring forward our triggers that can be overstimulating, that bring in factors that contribute to anger and rage spilling over like sleep deprivation, like carrying a really heavy mental load. There’s so many factors that can contribute to why it’s going to be a lot more difficult to regulate these parts of ourselves that have been simmering there for so long, so what is anger?

 

00;09;04;03 – 00;09;32;20

Dr. Cassidy

At its core, anger is an emotion we’re all wired for. It’s there to let us know when to give us data about the world around us, when we may have experienced something where we feel like our rights have been violated, or we have maybe witnessed the violation of some rights and anger pops up in offers us the data, information that this is happening that can be super useful, right?

 

00;09;32;20 – 00;09;59;21

Dr. Cassidy

Like if I’m in a relationship where I’m experiencing a violation, anger can pop up and be like, hey, this feels like a violation. This doesn’t feel right. This isn’t feel good. Anger can give us the umph to say no, to set a boundary. If we are in a threatening situation to give us, it can turn on this whole system in our body that can give us the energy and the focus to fight or flee.

 

00;09;59;29 – 00;10;31;12

Dr. Cassidy

Right? Like anger can be super useful in particular situations. Now, when anger shows up in its secondary role, which can oftentimes happen as well, this isn’t always necessarily so helpful. Right? So what does that look like. So let’s say that what’s happening is you are actually feeling overwhelmed or hurt. Now those are really vulnerable feelings. Sometimes anger can show up in its protector role.

 

00;10;31;14 – 00;10;55;01

Dr. Cassidy

And sometimes this can be actually really important because maybe this situation isn’t safe for you to express your hurt like an anger can still give you the, to set that boundary. Other things could be happening there, but a lot of times what happens is I might feel overwhelmed at home with my kids. I might feel hurt or unheard by my partner.

 

00;10;55;07 – 00;11;29;00

Dr. Cassidy

And instead of identifying that and identifying that I need support or communicating those things, anger jumps in as a protector. Emotion jumps in the driver’s seat, and instead of addressing the overwhelm or the hurt, now I’m just anger’s coming in and almost saying, like, get away from me, right? Or pushing people away almost as a way to like force space so that you don’t see or come close to this part of me that feels so overwhelmed or vulnerable and it can be really effective.

 

00;11;29;00 – 00;11;52;04

Dr. Cassidy

Right? Like if I start raging, it could make my child freeze, it could make my partner freeze. It can make everything stop. Right? But then what can that lead to? Then shame. Guilt creeps in and whispers, what’s wrong with you? Like, what kind of parent does this? And oh, you better keep those parts of yourself hidden. And then what happens?

 

00;11;52;04 – 00;12;21;17

Dr. Cassidy

We keep those parts of ourselves hidden. Protected. We don’t ask for help. We don’t ask for support. And the cycle continues. And so this can be a really, really sticky rage shame cycle that I know so many can relate to. And how we can begin to disrupt this cycle is actually by connecting in with our anger and getting to know these parts of ourselves, relating to this part of ourself in a new way.

 

00;12;21;17 – 00;12;43;11

Dr. Cassidy

Because anger isn’t going anywhere. I don’t actually don’t want it to. We all need anger as human beings to offer us data about the world around us. I want to stay in the driver’s seat, and I want to relate to it in a way where it’s no longer overpowering me or jumping in where it’s not so helpful. Does that make sense?

 

00;12;43;13 – 00;13;24;17

Dr. Mona

Absolutely. Because like you said, you want to normalize that. We all have these feelings. Anger is part of a very healthy, normal feeling. Even anxiety. Right? We know that some level of anxiety protects us from threats. And so all of these things together, anxiety, anger, things that are quote unquote negative emotions are actually protective in many ways. It’s just that when it starts to snowball and consumes you or starts to affect your relationship with your self, relationship with your child, relationship with others, that irritability component, you know that irritability, how I describe it when I’m feeling irritable is I just feel very sensitive to everything and just almost like a shorter fuze.

 

00;13;24;17 – 00;13;39;24

Dr. Mona

And for different people that may look different, like for people who are more prone to yelling, they may more likely yell for people who are more prone to just crying. They may cry more. You know, that’s kind of how I describe it. But how would you describe then, like what irritability looks like in your day to day?

 

00;13;39;27 – 00;13;58;10

Dr. Cassidy

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it can definitely be a symptom of anxiety as you kind of described. So like I really look at it as like a signal, like it’s a signal to your body that like there is something that you’re feeling and feelings can offer data about what’s happening around you, and it’s signaling that there’s something that you need, right?

 

00;13;58;12 – 00;14;16;15

Dr. Cassidy

There’s some unmet needs. And so it can look like anxiety, right? It can look like, you know, just kind of feeling like you’re having a lot of ruminating thoughts and feeling like you want to crawl out of your skin. It can look like pacing. It can look like trying to control the environment around you. And you do that, do that, do that.

 

00;14;16;18 – 00;14;36;10

Dr. Cassidy

And until you can’t anymore, until your anxiety basically communicates to you, hey, this feels like a threat. And so anxiety is, again that emotion that pops in, it’s like, hey, these are all the things that could potentially happen here, all the potential threats. And one of the responses to that anxiety trigger a fight flight freeze fun is fight.

 

00;14;36;10 – 00;15;04;26

Dr. Cassidy

And so one of those ways that you might respond to these anxiety triggers into this threat is with anger irritability. And again it’s going to show up like snapping, yelling. I see rage as like anger amplified or irritability amplified. And so that’s going to look like maybe slamming doors, cussing, pounding your fist on the kitchen counter. And what your anger is trying to do in that moment is to protect you.

 

00;15;04;29 – 00;15;43;13

Dr. Cassidy

And so what we have to do in those moments is to create space between the trigger and that automatic, reactive, irritable anger response to create a little bit of space to pause and to let our body know that we are safe if we are in fact safe, right? That like this is my child is not a threat, I am safe, I am safe, I am safe, and one of the ways in which we can create that space in that pause is through, in the moment, taking a breath like, I described this in the other episode.

 

00;15;43;13 – 00;16;06;07

Dr. Cassidy

If you want to kind of tune into that one to get like a more in-depth example of what that looks like. But I take a breath, I’m safe, I’m safe. Okay. What is my anger indicating to me in this moment that I need? And maybe in that moment, like, there’s just a lot going on. I might not have a lot of space to figure that out, but even just that acknowledgment that my anger matters, right?

 

00;16;06;12 – 00;16;31;23

Dr. Cassidy

That message, that part of me that’s communicating to me that I need something, that it matters. You know, just like, okay, I think I need something here because, like, I was about to lose it or, gosh, I just lost it. I think anger is communicating to me as part of me is sending me the message that I need something here and now and that moment, maybe that pause just allows me to kind of recalibrate a little bit and I can just, you know, respond to whatever I need to in that moment.

 

00;16;31;23 – 00;16;52;02

Dr. Cassidy

And then out of the moment, I need to figure out what got me there. Right. What is anger communicating to me that is happening around me that maybe does feel like a violation? Like maybe I don’t feel like I’m getting support, right? Like, what is it communicating to me that I need? Maybe I need some more boundary space or alone time.

 

00;16;52;02 – 00;17;15;03

Dr. Cassidy

Maybe I need someone to come in and help me. Anger is really great at telling us when we need certain boundaries, whether it’s with like an employer at work, with our partner, with family members. Right? We need more boundaries as parents with our children, right? Because we feel so overwhelmed by certain situations that are happening with them. And so anger can be a beautiful communicator of boundaries that we need in our life.

 

00;17;15;03 – 00;17;35;28

Dr. Cassidy

And I think it’s really helpful to kind of connect with this part of ourself in this way, because it really can kind of break that cycle of shame that oftentimes comes with anger. It’s not that there’s something wrong with me, deeply wrong with me, that I acted this way. It’s that there’s something I really need here that isn’t being met.

 

00;17;36;01 – 00;17;53;12

Dr. Cassidy

And thank you, anger, for letting me know that I need this. I’m going to stay in the driver’s seat, though, because when you jump in the driver’s seat, you actually steer me further away from these things that I really value as a partner and as a parent. But thank you for letting me know that I need X, Y, and Z.

 

00;17;54;05 – 00;17;57;00

Dr. Cassidy

I’m going to start taking these steps towards getting that met.

 

00;17;57;02 – 00;18;18;01

Dr. Mona

I love how you phrased it, because again, if you resist, it persists, right? So if you can start to just accept it that this is a normal human feeling, rather than pushing it away or feeling guilty, then it can really help in coping skills for that anger, for that irritability. You know, the example I like to talk about with irritability and just how it can affect just our life, is you’ll be in traffic.

 

00;18;18;01 – 00;18;41;18

Dr. Mona

Somedays you’ll be in traffic. Someone could be in traffic and be happily bumping along to the music. Everything’s great. And then another moment you could be upset being in traffic, right? You’re in the same situation, traffic, but yet your circumstances for the day, right? Like you made the example of the unmet needs. Maybe one day, the day that you’re more short fuzed or more irritable in traffic, is the day that you had a longer day at work.

 

00;18;41;23 – 00;19;01;21

Dr. Mona

Your child had more meltdowns in the morning getting out the door. You and your partner got into an argument. You had to do a lot of errands. Like, there’s so many things that come before the moment of irritability, right? It’s like it builds up. It’s like a cup being filled up and it can overflow. So like you said, also in our overstimulation episode about just creating that space.

 

00;19;01;21 – 00;19;32;06

Dr. Mona

And I love how you phrase that, right. The creating more boundaries and really looking at the unmet need, because there is usually I mean, I, I completely agree with that. The moments that I have felt more irritable or angry or just felt more, well, you know, that feeling that I’m not this is not who I want to be or who I like to be in this very irritable moment are those moments where I’ve maybe spread myself too thin or there was a lot going on, or I’m just tired, like you said, the lack of sleep.

 

00;19;32;11 – 00;19;53;12

Dr. Mona

So all of that is a big picture that I think so many people have to do some self insight and self work to kind of understand, you know, what is it that we really need more of and less of? If we’re finding ourselves to be irritable, is there anything else that you would add to be able to find that more peace and less irritability or things not to do when you’re feeling irritable?

 

00;19;53;12 – 00;19;54;11

Dr. Mona

If you,

 

00;19;54;13 – 00;20;15;07

Dr. Cassidy

I want to add something here about how we can relate to our anger in a new way, because I really just think this is so pivotal in us, you know, decreasing our, you know, rage spirals and irritability. Like, if we want to decrease it, I think we first got to meet it and we need to find a way to relate to it in a way that is compassionate.

 

00;20;15;07 – 00;20;34;23

Dr. Cassidy

And these parts of ourselves need to be heard. If they don’t feel heard, it’s just going to keep sending the signals that like, this thing is a problem, like this thing is happening right? So I want to meet this part of you, right? Like take a moment to like, imagine your anger. Like if you were to actually, like, pull it out of you and sit it across from me, like, what is this part of you look like?

 

00;20;34;23 – 00;20;51;28

Dr. Cassidy

How old is this part of you? Like, how do you feel in its presence? And I’d want to, like, kind of get down actually, like below eye level to this part because this is a strategy with kids to like it’s going to feel less threatening if you kind of go below eye level and meet this part of you and be like, hey, what’s going on?

 

00;20;52;00 – 00;21;11;09

Dr. Cassidy

And maybe this part of you is going to show that there is this whole story behind, like, why it’s so upset, or maybe there’s a part of you that it’s hiding and protecting, you know, underneath that are behind it. And you know what I’d also want to say to this part of you, and I’m pulling this actually from something my colleague, Doctor Becky Kennedy, said once about kids.

 

00;21;11;09 – 00;21;36;12

Dr. Cassidy

When kids are having tantrums or meltdowns, like one of the ways that she framed it, which I think is so such a beautiful interpretation, is like, how cool that your child still has needs and feels like it’s safe enough to express those needs, because I think so many of us over the years have learned to just shut down these parts of ourselves and these needs because it would push people away.

 

00;21;36;14 – 00;21;56;05

Dr. Cassidy

How cool that your child still has all these needs and is still safe enough to express them. And you know what I would say to your anger part and say the same thing. I’m so glad that you’re still in here, letting me know that I have these needs, and I am sorry for the ways that I’ve treated you in the past.

 

00;21;56;06 – 00;22;15;09

Dr. Cassidy

You know, I think there’s been plenty of times where I have hidden you away or tried to shut you down or tried to, like, numb so that I didn’t have to notice that you were there, and I. I’m not going to do that anymore. I see that you’re here. You’re coming along for the ride. Thank you for letting me know that these are things that I need.

 

00;22;15;11 – 00;22;32;24

Dr. Cassidy

And I’m going to be this sturdy leader in the front seat, and I’m going to take care of this. Thank you for letting me know. And I’m going to have some rules here, some boundaries. I’m not going to let you jump in the driver’s seat. I’m not going to let you crank up the angry music and moments where it’s not helpful.

 

00;22;32;26 – 00;22;55;09

Dr. Cassidy

I’m going to spend time and getting to know the message that you’re trying to offer. I’m going to tune in, I’m going to listen. I’m going to stay. I’m going to keep us safe here. I’m going to stay in the driver’s seat. And I just think that is almost a way for me to like, say, screw the toxic messages that society has sent me as a woman about what it means to experience and express anger.

 

00;22;55;11 – 00;23;16;18

Dr. Cassidy

It’s me saying, I know all of that is out there, and that is why you’ve shut yourself down to the point where it bubbles over and you feel like you have no control. I get it, and I see those things and I am saying, screw that, I’m bringing you along for the ride. I’m going to listen to what you’re expressing to me that I need and and I’m going to take care of us.

 

00;23;16;20 – 00;23;36;00

Dr. Mona

Oh, I love this. Cassidy. This is so great. And like I said, our other episode about overstimulation just pairs so well with all of this and the way you speak about anger embodied, I love it. You know, it’s almost like a part of us. So it’s you can speak to it and embrace it so that it doesn’t become something that you are ashamed of.

 

00;23;36;00 – 00;23;51;29

Dr. Mona

It’s such a beautiful way to put it, and I’m just so grateful for all of the information that you put out here on the podcast today, but also all the work that you’re doing with your clients in real life, and also your social media and your two podcasts. So where can everyone find you if they want to learn more?

 

00;23;51;29 – 00;24;08;00

Dr. Mona

And again, I just feel even just by talking to you, I feel more at peace. And I’m sure my listeners also can feel more, peace with that part of them that they may have been pushing away and feeling ashamed for. So I would love for people to be able to connect with you and learn more about all that you have to offer.

 

00;24;08;02 – 00;24;23;19

Dr. Cassidy

Thank you. So yeah, come hang out with me on Instagram. Let’s hang out on Fridays. And this is like tick tock Friday. This is like a ritual. My husband and I every Friday. I was saving these TikToks anyway because we watched them together on Fridays after the kids go to bed. It’s just like a connecting ritual for both of us.

 

00;24;23;19 – 00;24;44;07

Dr. Cassidy

And now you can do that too, with your partner or with anyone that you love. Or you can just hang out with me on Fridays. We can laugh together and then throughout the rest of the week, I’ll be sharing other other stuff that related to mental health and partner relationships and identity. All the things. If you are based in California, we can potentially work together.

 

00;24;44;07 – 00;25;06;17

Dr. Cassidy

Or I could connect you with someone in my group practice. That takes a very similar approach, and you can learn more about my private practice at Doctor Cassidy Ft.com. And we can have deeper dives outside of Instagram, you know, on the podcast Holding Space. And I’m just so grateful to have connected with you and with your listener today.

 

00;25;06;17 – 00;25;08;09

Dr. Cassidy

Thank you so much for having me.

 

00;25;08;11 – 00;25;29;19

Dr. Mona

Thank you. And if you love this episode, which I can’t imagine you didn’t because it is just honestly so refreshing to speak to people like Doctor Cassidy. I want you to leave a review and a rating and call her out on the review. Say how much you loved this episode and why it resonated with you. I would love to have you back on the podcast.

 

00;25;29;25 – 00;25;36;28

Dr. Mona

We’ve already done two episodes, but I’m sure there’s way more that we can unpack together. So thank you again for joining us and for everyone who tuned in today.

 

00;25;37;00 – 00;25;48;28

Dr. Cassidy

Thank you so much for having me, and I’d love to connect with your listeners on Instagram or elsewhere. And yeah, I would love to talk to you about anything and all the things.

 

00;25;49;01 – 00;26;05;23

Dr. Mona

Thank you so much. Thank you for tuning in for this week’s episode. As always, please leave a review. Share this episode with a friend. Share it on your social media. Make sure to follow me at PedsDocTalk on Instagram and subscribe to my YouTube channel, PedsDocTalk TV. We’ll talk to you soon.