In honor of Mental Health Awareness Month, I am continuing this series on ways to take care of our mental health so we can better care for ourselves and our children. It’s common to experience some postpartum blues and adjustment as you navigate having a new baby. But when is it something more?

On this episode, I welcome Chelsea & Caitlin, founders of Mama Psychologists. They are best friends, authors, Registered Psychologists, and moms to discuss:

• The line between normal postpartum adjustment and PPD and PPA
• Postpartum blues
• Signs of postpartum anxiety and postpartum depression
• When to know you need more help and how to get that help

You can connect with Chelsea & Caitlin on Instagram @mamapsychologists. Check out their book, Not Your Mother’s Postpartum Book and for more resources, visit the Mama Psychologists website.

If you are dealing with postpartum mental health concerns and need help, visit Postpartum Support International.

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00:00:01:03 – 00:00:27:22
Caitlin & Chelsea
When you become a mom, you expect like, okay, mom’s worried. That’s kind of what people say. That’s that’s your job, right? And yeah, that’s that’s true. There is some normal mom worry. But for myself, I’m speaking personally and professionally when it interferes with, you know, what you’re eating, you’re sleeping. Your daily activities. Right? To get it. Like, if you wanted to go to a mommy and me class, it’s like, oh, well, I have to drive there.

00:00:27:22 – 00:00:51:27
Caitlin & Chelsea
I can’t, like, I can’t have my my baby in the backseat out of like my view of. We also had had other moms that have said, like, I can’t even go for a walk because I get intrusive thoughts that what somebody is going to like drive off the street and it it really interferes with your daily functioning. Where us eating is impacted, sleeping is impacted.

00:00:51:27 – 00:01:01:10
Caitlin & Chelsea
We’ve also had mom day like I can’t sleep because I’m so fixated on on the baby’s monitor that I just watch it and watch it and watch it.

00:01:01:13 – 00:01:23:10
Dr. Mona
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00:01:23:12 – 00:01:52:03
Dr. Mona
Today’s guest may not need an introduction because they have already been on my show. But just in case you have not listened to that episode, I am welcoming back Chelsea and Caitlin, founders of Mama Psychologists. They are best friends, authors, registered psychologists in Alberta, Canada, and also moms to four. Kids five and under combined on their platform, they do deep dives into all things no one talks about in the postpartum period and normalize parenthood struggles.

00:01:52:10 – 00:02:11:07
Dr. Mona
They were on my show already talking about the things that no one talks about in the postpartum period, and I wanted them to come back so we can chat about when it’s not just typical postpartum adjustment, but we’re dealing with postpartum anxiety or depression. Thank you so much for joining me, Chelsea and Caitlin.

00:02:11:10 – 00:02:12:27
Caitlin & Chelsea
Yes, thank you for having us.

00:02:13:04 – 00:02:34:23
Dr. Mona
Yeah. Well, I’m excited to have you back on. Y’all are very prominent on social media. You obviously are practicing registered psychologists, and the information you provide out there is so useful normalizing the things that women are going through, especially in that postpartum period and as mothers. Tell us a little bit more about yourselves. For people who are not familiar with who you are.

00:02:34:25 – 00:02:58:24
Caitlin & Chelsea
Yeah. So I’m Caitlin, I am a registered psychologist here in Alberta, Canada. I started out, specializing in children’s and adolescent mental health and trauma in adults. And then after my first son was born and my experience with postpartum mental health and my own struggles, I became really, really interested in, okay, how can we we support other moms?

00:02:58:26 – 00:03:33:09
Caitlin & Chelsea
Because I thought I had the strategies and I thought I could handle it, but I was vastly, vastly, taken aback by the postpartum mental health struggles. And I’m Chelsea, I’m the other half. I’m a psychologist, similar to Caitlin. I am a registered psychologist, and mom and I specialized in child and adolescent mental health. And then after my first was born and our thinking journey, I specialized further in birth trauma and perinatal issues that could throw parents, thrown that parent unexpectedly.

00:03:33:09 – 00:03:38:19
Caitlin & Chelsea
So we are both super passionate about helping families navigate these journeys.

00:03:38:21 – 00:03:56:00
Dr. Mona
Yeah. Super passionate. I love the breadth of knowledge. And obviously you just mentioned birth trauma and then, personal experiences with that mental health struggles yourself. Caitlin, you had mentioned that as well. And so knowing that we’re not alone and normalizing all of these things, like we said, is so useful. And I’m just happy to have you all on again.

00:03:56:01 – 00:04:18:09
Dr. Mona
I loved our other conversation about normalizing things in that postpartum period that a lot of people don’t talk about. I know you all have a book as well, which I will link on our show notes, but this conversation is going through, you know, I get a lot of women coming into my office who don’t kind of know the balance of, is this just normal motherhood I’m supposed to be experiencing, especially in the postpartum period?

00:04:18:16 – 00:04:38:24
Dr. Mona
Or is this actually something I need to see someone for, like postpartum anxiety or depression? So having this kind of open discussion about when is it? Where is that balance, maybe some criteria on what you’re looking for, to kind of say, hey, look, it’s time that we take the next step and see a professional, that’s trained in this to help these moms.

00:04:38:26 – 00:04:55:01
Caitlin & Chelsea
Yes, absolutely. So one thing that we definitely look for is like, where is the person in the perinatal period, right. How far alongside them are they? What are their symptoms like all those kind of things. But when we’re looking at kind of that initial postpartum period, we look at that baby blues, right? That kind of colloquial term that we’ve all heard.

00:04:55:04 – 00:05:28:13
Caitlin & Chelsea
But I argue that most parents or most moms would go through. Right? You’re more weepy, you’re exhausted, your hormones are changing. Right? There’s a lot of change just happening really, really fast, not only in your environment, obviously taking home a new baby, but also within your body. And so we want to take that into consideration. So if it’s in the initial stages of giving birth, then we would probably just continue to monitor at that point, if it was somebody sitting in our office, right, we’d say, okay, you’re not feeling quite like yourself, but let’s see kind of what happens here as we progress later into the postpartum period.

00:05:28:15 – 00:05:49:22
Caitlin & Chelsea
So there’s a couple big things that we look for. So obviously with postpartum anxiety and postpartum depression, what are your symptoms. And I’ll go into that a little bit. But what are your symptoms. And you know how significant are they impacting your day to day life. Right. Like are they preventing you from getting out of the house from doing things you normally enjoy, from interacting with people?

00:05:49:22 – 00:06:11:18
Caitlin & Chelsea
Really like how isolated and how impactful are they? Is one of the really key things that we want to look for, and also the intensity of the symptoms. So are your symptoms improving, staying the same or getting worse? So if they’re staying the same or getting worse, we definitely want to investigate that further and see if that postpartum depression or anxiety or other perinatal mood disorders could be coming up.

00:06:11:21 – 00:06:13:12
Caitlin & Chelsea
For that person.

00:06:13:15 – 00:06:34:05
Dr. Mona
And with baby blues, you know, which we do know is actually common, do we have percentages on how many women experience that postpartum? And then also is that time frame, like you mentioned, that it’s common in those early weeks? Is that something that happens right away or is that something that develops more? So a week, two weeks after, or gets better by a month, like in terms of time frame to kind of look out?

00:06:34:05 – 00:06:51:10
Caitlin & Chelsea
For sure? Well, there’s a kind of a misconception in terms of time frame. So a lot of people say like, oh, and four months postpartum, I’m I’m out of the woods, right? I’m not going to have a postpartum perinatal mood disorder. And often that’s actually not the case may actually come out later. So we look at like four months and beyond.

00:06:51:12 – 00:07:11:03
Caitlin & Chelsea
And when we look at like the diagnostic criteria, I guess, to get a little like sciency and nerdy for a second, we really want to see, like within the first year is kind of the cutoff for when this would be like diagnosable. However, we argue that, you know, you could be impacted by these symptoms in the postpartum period and they could go past the one year, right?

00:07:11:10 – 00:07:28:17
Caitlin & Chelsea
If there’s no treatment or if you’re still struggling. Right. We often have, people on our social media that will contact us to be like, I’m, I have a two year old and I still feel this way. And it’s like, it doesn’t matter if you’re past that one year, if you need that support, it’s really important to still reach out and get that.

00:07:28:19 – 00:07:49:22
Caitlin & Chelsea
In terms of statistics, when we look at like baby blues, I don’t know a specific percentage, but it would be upwards of most moms that would be giving birth because of that hormonal shift. Right. You’re looking at that really big change. I think I I’ve read somewhere that it’s like the biggest hormonal shift you’ll ever experience in a short period of time because of giving birth, the placenta is gone.

00:07:49:22 – 00:07:57:21
Caitlin & Chelsea
All of your hormones are shifting, you know, with breastfeeding and lactating, all of those things. There’s just so much happening in the body in a short period of time.

00:07:57:23 – 00:08:15:03
Dr. Mona
Yeah. And I love that we’re talking about this because again, this is one of those things that is not always talked about in baby prep books because so many people take prep books for baby, like how to Feed the baby or, you know, lactation lactation consultant course or they took like, you know, sleep and there at a feeding data.

00:08:15:08 – 00:08:34:24
Dr. Mona
But there’s really not as much emphasis on the mother or the parents of like, hey, this can happen to you. And this is something that can happen and is very normal. And here’s when we need to discuss it further. So thank you so much for also talking about that. You know, four months to one year past the one year mark and then also the baby blues that time frame.

00:08:35:02 – 00:08:49:05
Dr. Mona
Now in terms of risk factors like are there certain risk factors for this? You know, and I’m talking more about postpartum anxiety or depression or it’s also something that can just be, affected by many things.

00:08:49:07 – 00:09:06:08
Caitlin & Chelsea
Yeah, absolutely. So when we look at risk factors, we’re really looking at some of the general history of the person. So if someone has a history of anxiety or depression, they’re more at risk for experiencing a perinatal mood disorder. Anxiety and depression, as we’re talking about today. As well as, you know, how do they feel about the pregnancy?

00:09:06:08 – 00:09:26:06
Caitlin & Chelsea
How was their pregnancy? Have they had experience with loss or pregnancy loss or loss before? Any medical conditions that are occurring during the pregnancy can also be a factor as well. And so we really want to see kind of what the medical history is of the person that is coming to you or talking to you about these struggles.

00:09:26:12 – 00:09:50:10
Caitlin & Chelsea
We also look at, family support or just social supports in general, to be an influencing factor. So, you know, somebody has a great community around them. You know, they may be have other risk factors, but that can be a protective factor for them and help ensure that they have the support that they need for somebody who doesn’t have the social supports that maybe they need, that can then be viewed as a risk factor for somebody as well.

00:09:50:12 – 00:09:52:01
Dr. Mona
Anything to add, Caitlin?

00:09:52:04 – 00:10:18:06
Caitlin & Chelsea
Oh, sorry. Yeah. No, no, that really is, is, it’s like when we look at whether it’s postpartum depression, postpartum anxiety, it’s looking at, you know what? Maybe if you had anxiety before, you may not always get postpartum anxiety and vice versa, right? Even if you didn’t have anxiety before you, you still may get postpartum anxiety.

00:10:18:06 – 00:10:49:00
Caitlin & Chelsea
So one doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re going to have anxiety or postpartum depression, but is it more likely? Absolutely. But then it really goes back to what do you have support? Do you have those people? Do you have a therapist? Do you have, a community, doctor. Right. What what does your healthcare team look like? I know for myself, I had a lot of postpartum anxiety with my first.

00:10:49:03 – 00:11:16:15
Caitlin & Chelsea
So, so much so that it was debilitating. I couldn’t leave my house. Can drive all all of those really tricky things. But with my second, I had virtually no postpartum anxiety, which was super, super interesting. And I thought, okay, I was kind of prepping myself. Yep. Yeah, I’m ready at my postpartum coping plan. I can manage this expecting the same or a similar experience to to occur.

00:11:16:15 – 00:11:32:19
Caitlin & Chelsea
And it didn’t really like I had very, very little anxiety. And I’m like, wow, just because I had a really bad postpartum anxiety with my first didn’t mean that I automatically was going to have it with my second.

00:11:32:21 – 00:11:58:06
Dr. Mona
Now let’s take a break to hear from our sponsors. And I would love to chat about Chelsea. You already mentioned, like what are the symptoms if is it impacting life intensity of the symptoms? In terms of kind of deciding, is it something that needs further evaluation if we can like chat about the symptoms overall, like for postpartum depression and postpartum anxiety and how they may differ from just mothers saying, well, this is what it’s supposed to be.

00:11:58:06 – 00:12:04:14
Dr. Mona
Is this a sleep deprivation one? Is it really something that, hey, this is something that we need to evaluate in terms of the symptoms?

00:12:04:16 – 00:12:24:00
Caitlin & Chelsea
Yeah. Of course. So when we’re looking at postpartum depression what we’re looking at is kind of low mood. We’re looking at you know, how are they doing in terms of activities like are you able to still enjoy things that you normally enjoyed or not. Also of course, how you’re doing from like a general basic needs kind of standpoint, right.

00:12:24:00 – 00:12:42:20
Caitlin & Chelsea
Like are you able to shower, are you able to eat, drink, you know, those kind of things. And then this is one of the most annoying questions to ask a new parent. But you know, when we’re looking at sleep, we want to are you able to rest when you can. Right. So not necessarily that you’re sleeping, is great overall because you have a newborn.

00:12:42:20 – 00:12:59:24
Caitlin & Chelsea
But we really want to know, like, you know, somebody has the baby. Are you able to, you know, try to rest. Is your mind able to slow down? Are you able to get some stretches of sleep when the baby’s sleeping like those kind of things. So we really want to pay attention to that as well. And when we’re looking at postpartum anxiety, we’re looking at similar things.

00:12:59:24 – 00:13:18:29
Caitlin & Chelsea
However, we’re looking at the truth of thoughts. So how how often that’s coming up, how intrusive thoughts in terms of like, again, delaying you from doing things in your day to day life or preventing you from enjoying things, preventing you from going out, like kind of like Caitlin was talking about. We’re also looking at, you know, raising thoughts as well.

00:13:18:29 – 00:13:39:18
Caitlin & Chelsea
So not necessarily intrusive, but just really difficult time in slowing your thoughts and your mind down. Right. It’s like that constant to do list that continues to run in your head that you can’t really turn off or slow down. It’s also the idea that, you know, your body can feel really agitated when you’re anxious. So, you know, are you noticing some tension in your body?

00:13:39:18 – 00:13:59:12
Caitlin & Chelsea
Are you noticing that you kind of feel like your heart’s racing or, you know, trying to take a deep breath feels impossible most of the time, right? Looking at those different things is what we’d be looking for. And so sometimes that can just be some normative stuff, right, that we’ve been talking about. It can be, you know, you’re a new mom, you’re feeling a little bit more anxious than normal and, and navigate parenthood.

00:13:59:15 – 00:14:10:18
Caitlin & Chelsea
So that’s where those kind of that criteria of, you know, how intrusive it is on your day to day life and how intense the symptoms are really becomes important in kind of differentiating that.

00:14:10:20 – 00:14:29:18
Dr. Mona
And Caitlin, I know you have you had mentioned already on this episode that you had personal experience with postpartum anxiety with your first and not your second. Speaking from the personal experience that you have and obviously your professional experience, how would you explain to someone to know the difference between, okay, I’m worried about my kid or this is now something like anxiety, like postpartum anxiety.

00:14:29:21 – 00:14:34:12
Dr. Mona
You had brought some examples of like SIDs or sleeping, like giving an example those people can understand.

00:14:34:14 – 00:15:04:18
Caitlin & Chelsea
Yeah, absolutely. So of course, when you become a mom, you expect like, okay, mom’s worried. That’s kind of what people say. That’s that’s your job, right? Right. And yeah, that’s that’s true. There is some normal mom worry. But for myself, I’m speaking personally and professionally when it interferes with what you’re eating, you’re sleeping your daily activities. Right. Like if you wanted to go to a mommy and me class, it’s like, oh, well, I have to drive there.

00:15:04:18 – 00:15:28:23
Caitlin & Chelsea
I can’t, like, I can’t have my my baby in the backseat out of like, my view. We also had had other moms that have said, like, I can’t even go for a walk because I get intrusive thoughts that somebody is going to, like, drive off the street and hit up. It really interferes with your daily functioning. Where us eating is impacted, sleeping is impacted.

00:15:28:23 – 00:15:50:15
Caitlin & Chelsea
We’ve also had moms saying like, I can’t sleep because I’m so like fixated on on the baby’s monitor that I just watch it and watch it and watch it for myself. I had one of those angel care baby monitors. I think that, like, beeps whenever they, like, go off the the little nap thing, which was an absolutely terrible thing, I’m sure.

00:15:50:17 – 00:16:09:29
Caitlin & Chelsea
Yeah, many of false alarms that that happens. But every time that would beep and it wouldn’t be all the time, but maybe like a couple times a week, my anxiety would peak and be at like an eight out of ten. And then if you think I’m sleeping after that, no, no, it would take me hours and hours to get settled back down.

00:16:09:29 – 00:16:36:17
Caitlin & Chelsea
So things like it, right? It is interfering with even your ability to enjoy motherhood right? To even have any sense of like, okay, yes, there’s hard moments, but overall like this is good. Anxiety can really put put a damper into that. Experiencing any, any kind of good or any sort of normalize or relaxation in those early days.

00:16:36:19 – 00:16:47:05
Dr. Mona
And clarifying for anyone who’s listening, who may not be familiar, you could have postpartum anxiety on its own, you could have postpartum depression on its own. But you can also have a mixture of both, right?

00:16:47:07 – 00:16:48:12
Caitlin & Chelsea
Yes, yes.

00:16:48:14 – 00:17:07:13
Dr. Mona
And so kind of looking at the symptoms that you all described is, is very important. Now, you know what you mentioned Caitlyn, about the, you know, not wanting to do activities. Right. Like meaning just normal activities of living and also feeling worried about going on a mommy date or my mommy playdate. Or we’re using the example of not wanting anyone to help.

00:17:07:16 – 00:17:30:10
Dr. Mona
Like, sometimes I have a lot of moms who are so against people helping their child because they feel like they have to do it all. Do you guys do you see a lot of that when you are dealing with postpartum anxiety? What is that balance where it’s like, hey, I want to be the one to take care of my kid versus is this actually postpartum anxiety, if that makes sense.

00:17:30:12 – 00:17:55:16
Caitlin & Chelsea
Okay. And that can you know what like you want to be the one to, to be there to, to deny or to to do the things right. But can you, you know what. Leave and be like okay. You know what. They’re good with grandma. They’re good with dad. I’m going to go have a shower or take a bath or do you find it difficult and you’re consumed with, oh my gosh, does he know that he needs to warm up the milk?

00:17:55:16 – 00:18:09:28
Caitlin & Chelsea
Oh my gosh, is he like watching him? Is she going to roll. So all of those like worst case scenario thoughts like running through your mind when when they’re with that other a parent or a caregiver.

00:18:10:00 – 00:18:42:28
Dr. Mona
And that can feel so hard. And I again, I’m really happy that y’all are joining me for this episode, the other episode that we recorded, because I just feel like a lot of women deal with these things like what you mentioned, like true postpartum anxiety or true depression, and don’t realize it until months after. In your experience, in your professional experience, do you feel like you have encountered women who have been sort of dealing with this for months on end and then finally realize that they need to see someone, or, and then they were like, well, I’ve probably been dealing with this for over six months or a year.

00:18:43:00 – 00:19:12:08
Caitlin & Chelsea
Absolutely. During the pandemic, we did mom therapy groups when the people in the province that we live in and I would say around like 80 to 90% of those moms were struggling with postpartum anxiety, was some of it due to, to the isolation and pandemic. Yeah, probably that played a factor into it. But many even like seasoned moms, second time moms, they’re like, yeah, oh yeah, I experienced that with my first one too.

00:19:12:09 – 00:19:21:03
Caitlin & Chelsea
I hear it. And that’s really like that. That was not like normal mom worry, right? That was definitely some postpartum anxiety there.

00:19:21:06 – 00:19:29:22
Dr. Mona
Yeah. This is a great conversation. Is there anything else you’d want to add Chelsea or Caitlyn? Or final message for everyone listening today.

00:19:29:24 – 00:19:45:03
Caitlin & Chelsea
Yeah, I think a big one that I would just add is that it’s really important to try to find somebody you feel safe talking about these things, right? We get it. A lot of moms that are like, I was so scared to share this, was so scared to talk about it because I thought, you know, people are going to think I’m a bad mom or dad.

00:19:45:03 – 00:20:02:00
Caitlin & Chelsea
I didn’t know, I don’t love my baby. And then they kind of just suffer again. And that silence because they’re so consumed by, you know, those feelings of guilt and shame. So if there’s somebody you can reach out to that you feel safe with, that you can talk to that’s really important just to get the conversation going, reach.

00:20:02:01 – 00:20:12:10
Caitlin & Chelsea
Maybe they can support you in making a doctor’s appointment. Maybe they can help you look up, you know, therapists in your area or whatever that might be, but just have somebody that you feel that you can start those conversations with.

00:20:12:12 – 00:20:37:00
Dr. Mona
And in terms of professionals to seek out, starting out, I mean, I to I know y’all are practicing in Canada, but starting out with a mom is feeling like something is just not right. Let’s say the symptoms that you’re describing are impacting life or symptoms are intensifying. And or they just have questions starting with who? Like a therapist or their doctor or where is a kind of a starting point for people who are searching for more support.

00:20:37:02 – 00:20:54:27
Caitlin & Chelsea
Yeah, we always recommend Family Doctor if you have one. We’re currently in a doctor shortage in our area, so I think half of our city doesn’t have a family doctor. So at that point we would talk about, you know, is there anybody that was on your first support team that you still are in contact with, whether that was your ObGyn or, you know, midwives, things like that?

00:20:54:27 – 00:21:09:03
Caitlin & Chelsea
Like, who else did you have in your corner? And then we would look at like more of a therapist referral as well. So, we try to advocate for perinatal trained therapists, but sometimes that’s not always the case. So finding somebody that you feel comfortable with is really important.

00:21:09:05 – 00:21:13:20
Dr. Mona
Very helpful. And Caitlin, any final message for everyone listening today?

00:21:13:23 – 00:21:39:10
Caitlin & Chelsea
Yeah. So the biggest one that really resonates with me is that you are doing an amazing job in a world that it’s just sometimes hard to to regulate and to manage and to to think about it every day. There’s kind of, you know, what moms are dealing with lots of stressors, new stressors that weren’t always around ten, 20, 30 years ago.

00:21:39:10 – 00:21:55:25
Caitlin & Chelsea
And it’s just remembering, you know, what, your your child deserves a mom that is healthy both physically and and emotionally. Right? And it’s like taking care of yourself, filling your cup so you can pour to your child’s comfort.

00:21:55:27 – 00:22:18:13
Dr. Mona
Well, I love that final message. And it kind of goes in line with the other episode that we did record, which, like I mentioned, is along the lines of their book, Not Your Mother’s Postpartum book. The things no one Talks about in the postpartum period, again, normalizing a lot of the things that are often not talked about. And this conversation was extremely important to me because like I said, for both of you, my podcast is not just about child health and development, which I think is so important.

00:22:18:13 – 00:22:37:13
Dr. Mona
It’s I’m a pediatrician, but I value parents so much because they’re the ones taking care of the children, large part of the time and so, so important that we just take care of ourselves and know when things are not okay, you know, and that it’s okay to be okay. So I just appreciate this conversation and the education you provided for everyone today.

00:22:37:15 – 00:22:40:00
Caitlin & Chelsea
Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having us. Yeah.

00:22:40:01 – 00:22:42:21
Dr. Mona
Where can people find you to stay connected?

00:22:42:23 – 00:22:57:16
Caitlin & Chelsea
Yeah. So you can find us on. I’m a psychologist at mama. Psychologists on Instagram are website is mama psychologist. Yeah. Because we are Canadian and then we are also on on tick tock as well. And on the psychologist.

00:22:57:18 – 00:23:21:12
Dr. Mona
Wonderful. Well thank you both so much. I think we have so many other episode topics that we could do as its own entity, in the future, but this was an important starting point for me. Just to talk about the differences, I, like I said, between postpartum adjustment and anxiety and depression for everyone listening, if you love this conversation, make sure you leave a review and a rating and call out Chelsea and Caitlin and the amazing information that they provided.

00:23:21:18 – 00:23:37:27
Dr. Mona
And don’t forget to follow them and their resources and get their books so that you can know the things that no one talks about in the postpartum period. And I cannot wait to chat with another guest next week. Thank you for tuning in for this week’s episode. As always, please leave a review. Share this episode with a friend.

00:23:37:27 – 00:23:47:10
Dr. Mona
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